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Thk u sir for update. i still got a few orange horizon tix. :p

i aldy prepare 2 loose em ani way.

Thk u brother...i agree w wat u sayin. My colleague suay suay kena convert frm full time 2 part timer, then 1 mth later company retrench him. then no need pay him ani thg...he work company more then 10 yrs liao lei. :(

knn, wait till job market beter, tis company i wking cannt stay liao...nw lan lan mus stay on first....lol

nwday in sg damn stress sia...hope can faster got btm release stress. :D

Lol...reli depend drop where? drop on head mayb kena 4d? :D


Loc good, even if close dwn, will hv other hotel boss take ovr de....lol :D

Go 4 their new rm lor...mani new rms in top floor or 1 floor below the top is baru renovate nia. Bed aso new lei....lol ;)

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Really wonder hows that place now. Almost a year since I go down

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I am fantasizing the same.
Is Newton open or closed? Square?
Maybe open, because they disrgard COVID and simply do not care?
Or did Batam regress to a pre-industrial state, without nightlife and low business?

My fantasy is that the day I will be able to go back there freely, i will find a place in a condition close to what Batam was 20 years ago.
My hope is to reach the day I will be vaccinated and get a "vaccination passport", which will allow my to pass borders freely as before. Who knows...:(

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Hoping that all the local imported cases recovers soon and especially the one from Indonesia. Still keeping my fingers crossed that I can spend my 2nd CNY next year again in batam!

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Hoping they could open batam or bali first.

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Forget about spending 2021 CNY in Batam, may not even able to spend 2022 or even 2023 CNY in Batam. The main problem to what i see is not the virus but the government attitude. Basically those who have infected with Covid-19 and recover are already immune to virus for at least 6 months, however these group of people are still not allowed to travel freely despite having antibodies in their body. So don't expect the government will allow those who get vaccinated to travel overseas freely despite they're immune to the virus after vaccination. Want to go to Batam ? Wait long long and probably by that time Batam has already change completely, no longer fun to go there.

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Want to go Bali!

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ya really hope batam will open soon :D

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not sure newton open or not but grand dragon, galaxy, m1, morean, pacific, foreplay. are open. but the business is really bad there, many beautiful SYT from other states of Indonesia go to the KTV above to borrow money from the boss then work there but one full month don't even make any money at all, even they willing to sell they're pussy in low price also not much customer can afford or willing pay the girls.

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Life goes on. The locals will take over. Even vaccinated people maybe protected only 6 months? So what’s the point. Gov tried to protect the people, shut the outside out, then here starved to death

Even Batam reopen the 14 days quarantine requirement at government designated locations will still stop Singaporean traveling there for leisure. How many Singaporean willing to spend $2000 for 14 days quarantine just for few days holidays ? Just $200 for PCR here alone is enough to discouage Singaporean going there for short 2 to 3 days holiday. Although vaccines has already arrived and 95% of those who are vaccinated are immune to Covid, however it is highly unlikely that those who are vaccinated will be allowed travel freely overseas without PCR test and quarantine.

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Even the vaccines found to mutate into new strains. Life wont be back to normal yet. Yr 2022 and beyond maybe...

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Although nobody can be sure about anything here, it is reasonable to be optimistic.

First, nobody said these vaccines provide immunity for only 6 months! What has been stated is that these vaccines provide immunity for at least 6 months.
Experimental trials have started in 2020. First test inoculations were given 6 months ago. Therefore, experimental results, to date, demonstrate some immunity (the famous 95%) lasting for these 6 months. Next year, hopefully they will find that immunity is still lasting in those persons, and those 6 months will be updated to 12 months. Maybe longer, mayne not. As of today, experimental data include only 6 months of trials.

To give a point of comparison, the common flue vaccines last some 12 months but have only 60% effectiveness. Other vaccines can last several years, even the whole life, but each virus is different. Only decades of experimental trials can prove it or disprove it.

By the way, 95% is VERY high. For some vaccines, it is not higher than 50%, still they are useful. Better to have a partial protection than nothing. One example is the vaccine against cholera, not better than 50%.

About the mutations of the virus, every virus mutate, but this does not mean necessarily that mutated versions are not covered by a vaccine. It depends what mutates, and how extended are mutations. For the HIV, they gave up. All vaccines failed, because it mutates too much and all mutations are around. For flue, the vaccine is effective, and can be "programmed" every year for the new virus (that is why we have to repeat vaccination every winter). For many other viruses, mutations are not wide enough to diminish the effectiveness of the current vaccines.

The good news about these new mRNA vaccines is that they can be programmed very easily for a new mutation. A new strain appears and the old vaccine is not effective? In few weeks they can prepare a new vaccine for this, using the same technology (the problem is producing millions or billions of the new vaccine while you still have millions of previous ones in stock). The good impact of COVID is that it forced the development of this new technology, which may be effective also for other diseases. Future will tell.

In short, there is a hope we can resume regular travelling in 2021, probably with an international certificate of vaccinations, as we do with Yellow Fever. At least, this is what we hope, but it is not irrealistic.

PS: One more thing. Do not confuse the immunity after healing from disease with the immunity induced by a vaccine. The latter has another level of strength. A vaccine forces a very strong immune system reaction, specifically for some portion of the virus which has been selected on purpose. If one has had COVID, still he should be vaccinated.

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